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The pig is gone. Let us now debate: Student Council Liveblog

February 10, 2010

12:00 And we’re adjourned. This stuff will all have to be handled at the next meeting. It should be long and contentious. Some sweet dramz!

Now, go study. Thanks for stopping by.

11:58 We’re now debating this motion which must be voted on before the budget itself is voted on. Looking unlikely.

11:57 Manes doesn’t want any nitpicking. And Fergus “vehemently” opposes this motion.

11:55 Beemsterboer curious about lowering stipends because the Chair and Vice Chair can make that money back in meeting payout. Makes a motion to do this.

11:51 Williams presents the SSFC budget.

11:51 Council decides to not refer to Conference Committee. Vote restores SEC budget to $10,000. And the budget passes. Finally.

11:46 Williams: You are undermining SSFC if you send every budget to Conference Committee if you have a “nitpicky” problem with it. Why not just have Conference Committee do it in the first place.

11:45 Ingram: Hey! The formula is arbitrary. Salaries are inherently arbitrary. Let’s handle this

11:41 Gosselin: SSFC does play a role in budget policy.

11:39 Paulson: SSFC is not SC part II. They are talking about SC policy here. They should “stay the heck out of policy.”

11:38 Williams: SC is only supposed to ensure SSFC did not make stupid decisions, whether they agree with the decision or not. SC is not SSFC part II.

11:37 Paulson: Let’s vote on this thing. Now is not the time to discuss implementing formulas. We just need to agree on some numbers here.

11:34 The report to the Chancellor will be March 3. The budgets must be done by then. Manes would like this sent to Conference where problems can be worked out.

11:32 We’re now making sure we know what happens if the Council does not approve this budget.

11:30 A motion made to refer this budget to Conference Committee.

11:28 Division on increasing SEC stipends after passing SJ Chief Justice stipend. That passes, too.

11:26 Junger explains the Conference Committee consists of 3 SC members and Chair Junger as well as 3 SSFC members and Chair Williams. Each body can then vote the result up or down. A down vote would send it back to Conference Committee.

11:25 I like when reps say they’ll be brief. That’s usually when they take the longest.

11:23 SSFC rep Sianapaar asks SC to make any changes in Conference Committee so they can move on.

11:21 Gosselin says that even the raised stipends would come out to less per hour than is allocated for GSSF hourly workers.

11:18 Talking about the formula SSFC used to come up with the stipend proposals. Basically, we’re still talking about SJ stipends.

Chair Zinn rejects the arguments that Council should just rubber stamp the decisions of SSFC and Noms Board. Student Council should act as a check on decisions. That is what the reps are elected for.

11:10 Still on the stipends. Marie Puissant is still here. That’s dedication. She was approved a while ago. She must need friends. Please hug her if you see her. Trust me, she’ll appreciate it.

11:04 …And we’re still talking about SJ stipends. Raise ’em? Lower ’em? Keep ’em steady? Put me to sleep?

11:00 1 hour to go. Still debating the SJ budget. My legs are cramping up from sitting here. I should get a recliner for this. I wonder if there’s room in the budget for that. I wonder if there is anyone here who I could ask?

10:58 So much for the notion that the SJ budget would be a rubber stamp. Debate is still going.

10:53 We are still talking about raising stipends. Williams says SC must make this issue non-arbitrary by finding an automatic way to raise stipends when appropriate.

10:48 Fergus says not increasing stipends to keep up with rising tuition keeps out people who can’t afford school without extra jobs.

10:45 SJ Chief Justice Darby would like the stipends to proposed levels. Love says he won’t support any stipend increases whatsoever.

10:42 Rep. Ingram would like to think about the message SC sends by increasing ASM stipends during a recession. Their reasoning must be made clear to the public.

10:37 I would like to take this opportunity to point out that Chair Williams just described the SJ budget for the past 6 minutes and I got none of it. My brain turned off, sorry. Budget specifics are just the worst to follow. Manes just used the phrase “opportunity cost.” Holy crap. What?

10:31 Just so it can be immortalized on the internet: Tyler Junger is going to the bathroom at 10:31 p.m. Central time, February 10, 2010. What were you doing at this minute in history? Mr. Junger will always know the answer to this question.

10:30 Yay! I got company officially! Onto the SJ budget.

10:29 Now onto approving the two Assistant Press Office Directors: Marie Puissant and Alicia Yager.

10:28 Seriously, this oath is ENTIRELY too long. It never ends!

10:26 Nicholas Paiser is approved. Now must swear in Williams, Hanley and Deichl. This is always awkward sounding.

10:25 Any SACGB member must recuse themself from votes about any organization to which they belong.

10:23 Paulson says hiring isn’t always perfect but Noms Board needed to act within a timeline. They found someone qualified who they are comfortable moving forward with.

10:22 SACGB Chair Katy Ziebell still thinks the nomination should be reconsidered if the nomination was made in a flawed manner. Vote on 5-minute recess to find bylaws about voting rights. That fails.

10:20 Finally calling the question! Voting on amendment to refer this to Noms Board. It fails. Back to the nomination itself.

10:16 Templeton and Paulson, as Noms Board members, stand by the decision. He says Nicholas Paiser would serve the SACGB well.

10:15 Chair Adam Johnson says he trust Nominations Board members and wants to approve their nomination.

10:10 Beemsterboer and Ziebell want the SACGB nomination to go back to Noms Board with the stipulation that they consider two people they denied earlier.

10:09 Lots of debate about the SACGB nomination. Beemsterboer requests to consider the Council noms separately. That passes and SC approves the SC nominations

9:59 Chair Sharpe speaking on behalf of nomination for SACGB and Student Council.

Brandon Williams and Melissa Hanley(L&S)

Brian Diechl (S of HE)

Nicholas Paiser or SAC Governing Board

9:58 That unanimously passes. Junger nominates Carl Fergus to be the Chair of the campaign. That passes, too. Congratulations, Carl!

9:54 Fergus wants to start gathering information and he wants this to be a long-term campaign. How exactly he wants to change the financial aid is uncertain to me. The goal is admirable but how would work-study be changed, can we have an affect, would the money be converted into more Stafford Loans or what?

9:52 Special Order to create campaign to study work-study on campus. Fergus wants students to get all the money on their awards, instead of the work-study money that actually goes to the university.

9:51 The amendment passes. Onto approval of the minutes. That’s done. We got speed readers here.

9:50 Their’s division on this vote. 10-10. Junger breaks the tie in favor of the amendment. Williams motions to approve the agenda. and their’s division again.

9:49 Chair Beemsterboer wants to move SSFC, SACGB, and SJ budgets to items 3,4 and 5 because they are basically rubber stamps. Makes sense.

9:47 Rep. Matt Manes:”This is not some of the useless crap we vote on here. This is millions of dollars that must get passed…” This is serious stuff that needs to be handled. Calling the question.

That passes. SC will invoke 2/3 rule to consider things being introduced tonight.

9:46 Seriously, this is getting heavy. We might spend the entire night debating whether or not to consider doing anything.

9:42 Okay here’s the catch-up: we’re onto discussion of the agenda. Paulson makes motion to invoke 2/3 rule to consider GSSF budget.

Chair Johnson wants to get something done.

Ingram thinks all the budgets have been part of the public record for some time now.

And Love is still against deciding on anything tonight by invoking 2/3 rule. That is not the point of making rules.

9:40 Paulson points out that SC can decide with 2/3 vote to consider something not previously introduced.

Okay now, they passed the amendment to reorder the agenda.

9:38 Rep. Ingram thinks it would look bad to suspend rules the meeting after they passed them. But…now they are voting on the amendment to change the agenda order. That fails. Or was that an amendment to the amendment. Dammit.

9:37 Williams said the worst thing SC could do would be to do nothing with the GSSF budget tonight, even if they refer it to Conference Committee.

9:35 Love and Rep. Tobelmann both want SC to follow their bylaws and not vote on anything new today. Only the budget. Rep. Smith says their are rules that allow them to do this.

9:33 Chair Williams is trying to explain the CWC situation to Chair Jonah Zinn and how the GSSF funding could be affected. Williams is telling him they can still get money if the budget is passed tonight.

9:32 Smith wants to do the nominations approvals first b/c they will be quick. He wants to do the GSSF and Internal budgets next b/c they will require some thoughtful discussion.

9:27 We’re on to the approval of the agenda. WTF? Rep. Smith wants to cross all the letters out and reorder them. I’m not gonna lie, there are a lot and I’m not gonna keep track. They’re just reordering specific budget item order. Pretty inconsequential. Perhaps they’ve forgotten they have only 2 1/2 hours left. Oh jeez.

9:25 Rep Love is pissed Council is not following the bylaw that does not allow them to vote on legislation at the same meeting at which it is introduced.

He wants everyone to attend a building unity convention. Vice Chair Templeton will be speaking about social networking. ZOMG, everyone tweet this!

9:23 Rep Harris is now speaking. She wants everyone to get to the Vagina Monologues because the proceeds will go to benefit the women of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. It is in the Wisconsin Union Theater. Rep. Maxwell Love up next.

9:21 The issue is that Fergus and Murphy want SC to send the GSSF budget to the Conference Committee which works through the differences in the budget between SC and SSFC.

9:18 Fergus is answering questions from Rep Paulson and Chair Williams about delaying the GSSF. And he drops and “SH” bomb!

p.s. Fergus is currently on the United Council board.

8:55 Alright, it’s almost time to get started tonight. Again, here is the agenda. Sift through it. Winnow through it.

This should be hectic, we’ve only got three hours. Strap your selves in!

9:02 Junger calls this meeting to order. Roll Call!

9:04 Open forum time. Tina Trevino Murphy is up to bat.

She has announcements: Vagina Monologues will be this Saturday: Rep Harris will be delivering a monologue! This ought to be good.

Also: Take Back Higher Education day is coming March 4. She thinks there should be a grassroots effort to show support of students’ rights (?)

She also does not want to eliminate the term limits for SC representatives…

…and she would like SC to push GSSF budgets off until CWC has another appeal. They could still technically get money.

Man, she’s got her hand in everything!

9:09 SSFC Chair Williams wants to know why she wants to delay the entire GSSF budget process on the chance that her group could benefit. She replies that she just wants her group to be able to get funding if it follows all the rules.

9:11 Former SSFC rep Carl Fergus is up. He is against changing the rule that forces SC reps to attend United Council conventions. He thinks that if UW students are paying to be a part of the group, they should attend.

He also thinks that GSSF budgets should be delayed on the chance that Student Judiciary rules that they are eligible for funds. He thinks the process should wait while a case is before SJ. (Oh crap, I hate going in this direction. Updates will be at the top starting now.)

21 Comments leave one →
  1. February 10, 2010 9:37 pm

    What is with the awkward ordering of the times?!

    • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
      February 10, 2010 9:58 pm

      Whatever. I’m still haunted by that pig head.

      • Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:45 pm

        Im surprised at the lack of puns…’this little piggie went to an ASM Student Council meeting”….”this agenda will be passed when pigs fly…” “when he was a young warthog…” and oh so many others come to mind…

      • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:52 pm

        You’re fired.

      • Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:53 pm

        Well that was quick…

      • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:56 pm

        I’m lying. Puns are always welcome here. I’m simply too unoriginal to think of them.

        Rhyming is also encouraged.

      • Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:58 pm

        Point of information: why is Rep Harris wearing sunglasses?

      • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:59 pm

        She’s too cool for you. You could never understand.

      • February 10, 2010 10:59 pm

        She has a scratched cornea, or something along those lines. Cannot wear her contacts, in addition to not being able to see bright lights. She likes looking like Stevie Wonder, and doesn’t want to look like a pirate, like Biddy.

      • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
        February 10, 2010 11:02 pm

        Biddy looks like a pirate?

      • Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
        February 10, 2010 11:04 pm

        Apparently you dont keep up with Twitter. Fail.

      • February 10, 2010 10:56 pm

        That’s what she said…

      • Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
        February 10, 2010 10:59 pm

        In your case…it most likely was.

  2. Michael Romenesko permalink
    February 10, 2010 10:57 pm

    Opportunity cost is actually the cost of any forgone alternative, financial or otherwise.

    • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
      February 10, 2010 11:00 pm

      I still don’t understand what you’re talking about. Sorry.

      • Michael Romenesko permalink
        February 10, 2010 11:04 pm

        In response to… Haywoods (?) comment on opportunity cost only being based on financial terms.

  3. Michael Romenesko permalink
    February 10, 2010 11:04 pm


  4. Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
    February 10, 2010 11:10 pm

    Note: 11:10-Cardinal reporter leaves….Herald reporter stays. Who is really the smarter one? And….debate!

    • Friendly Neighborhood Press Office Director permalink*
      February 10, 2010 11:13 pm

      Probably just going home to read the liveblog in comfort!

      • Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
        February 10, 2010 11:15 pm

        ….not a very good source of info. I mean really…who writes this sh….oh hey! look what time it is!

  5. Friendly PO Assistant permalink*
    February 10, 2010 11:38 pm

    Dont forget! The equation includes: price of bread in Romania in relation to (weather in Chicago)…

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